haldoor | Silly bit of fun. Do join in.

I'm interested, especially if it sometimes involves ratings on the amount (or sad lack of) of gay/slash subtext or-actual-text in said movies, TV shows, etc, etc...

Hah, that said, I'm opinionated enough to review anything, LOL!

Oh yes, there's never enough of that, is there? ha!

Goodie! I like a bit of reviewing myself, so here's hoping a few more people will join in and we can all get a few recommendations for future viewing/reading/listening! Thanks!

Edited 2009-11-15 07:12 (UTC)

Never enough. Just never!

(Sawyer/damn-I-can't-remember-the-actor's-name-and-I'm-too-lazy-to-google-it is one of the few men I find kind of hot. Your icon is made of win...)

Well, that's kind of handy, since he's one of my favourites! You'll be seeing him around here a lot, if you stick around! It's Josh Holloway, and I like to slash him, A LOT. I'm sure he's been around a few ~~men's beds~~ blocks in his time, and not alone! *waggles eyebrows*

That's it. I knew it was Josh something. *facepalms* (I have no excuse, really, I've watched halfway through Season 5, enjoyed it, and live with a major fan, who'd kill me if she knew. I just need some more time to watch the rest...)

I have to admit, I think Lost would be a lot more fun with slash, even though I'm not generally into fanfiction. There's certainly a large cast to have fun with...

(LOL, I'm sure I'll stick around. I'm quite seriously chatty at times.)

Crazy show that it is... I still love watching all the action and wait eagerly to find out what the 'answers' are (if they ever tell us), although must admit, I'm pretty shallow and just enjoy the slashy subtext and the pretty guys for the most part! I'd love them to get more serious about the slash (I'm sure the writers are well aware of the slashy fanficcers out there!) but being American, I can't ever imagine they'd allow any of their male leads to turn out gay or bi, which is such a pity. I'm sure the show would go cult if they ever got brave enough.

Fanfiction - mainly in Lost - is where I started my LJ career, although I love original fiction too, naturally. I've been having fun in the Lost world for some time, and find there's a real wealth of talented writers in the fandom, which I'm sure is what's kept me in it so long!

I hope you do stay around! I don't have enough Southern hemispherean friends! We need to balance out all the Americans sometimes! (much as I love my US LJ friends!)

Edited 2009-11-15 08:43 (UTC)

It's really hard not to get intrigued. (Answers? The only one who's sure to survive is Vincent, right? ;) Everything else is wide open!)

I'd just love for any mainstream drama/action/adventure show to get serious about including non-het (hell, even just slightly bi) lead characters into their casts. Honestly, for shows that verge into or are speculative fiction, it's a shame. Lost has characters of so many different backgrounds and situations, but no canon gay/les/bi characters?

That baffles me, because slash fiction is so huge on the internet, you'd think people would wake up and realise what kind of fanservice a canon gay couple is. Never mind the fact that queer people should be represented in mainstream television - just looking at it simply from an angle of attracting fans to the show, I can't understand why. Being conservative isn't actually helping them...

I'm pretty new to the whole 'gasp I'm going to post a story online for people to read!' thing on LJ, but I've been writing original fiction of some kind for nearly nine years. I've never really found a fandom I've wanted to write about, although Stargate: Atlantis has tempted me sometimes.

With Lost, though - the potential for so many different stories about so many different characters and their backgrounds could keep you going for ages. I might have to have a poke around someday...

*grins* I know! It's great to run across someone from down our end of the Earth. I love my US friends/crit partners here, but at times I feel like I'm speaking a foreign language, as awesome as they are - and most people just seem to be from the US. We've had some good conversations about strange words, though...

(Btw, I get the feeling we could continue this conversation on for ages!)

I think you're right about Vincent! (although of course in my AU, Sawyer and Sayid end up off the island somewhere living happily ever after... with occasional visits from Jack for extra hot threesome sex... (and yes, I do have a slight problem with wishful thinking and an addiction to dreaming of hot threesome sex between them!) ;-P

I definitely agree with you on the lack of alternative sexualities on mainstream action shows, although I think they tend towards the lesbian if anything (maybe only suggestively sometimes) which at least is something (although far from enough). I know my interest is more prurient and directed towards gay men, but I like to think it's made me more tolerant of minorities and want to stand up for them; I'm definitely for the underdog in any case, and believe that it's not realistic for ALL action and adventure stories to only be populated with heterosexual visions of the all-American red-blooded man/woman!

And true enough - the 'net is filled with slashy visions of men getting it on, and no doubt (asince I don't tend to be looking for it) femmeslash, as well as queer fiction itself! If I had to guess, I'd say the gay-slanted fic must be higher in quantity than the straight stuff! How is it that the people who control the TV/movies in America haven't considered this?

You're so right that it doesn't make sense not to capitalise on it! For years they've been catering to men's soft-porn (and harder porn - when did a straight porn movie NOT feature lesbian action at least once?) needs to watch two 'straight' women play, but slant things in the direction of women who want to see men get together, or lesbians to see realistic and women-oriented erotica that wasn't skewed towards what watching men want? Oh no, can't do that!

I mean, generally, I don't even think women want to see 'it all', you know? What we find erotic isn't necessary the same as what men do, and I am personally very happy to watch men kiss and touch... all that pumping in and out gets old very quickly.

Anyway, I digress slightly! It's not all just about watching the sexy bits, honestly! In reality, some of what would be interesting to me would be a show that is the same as many we see and come to love - well written and acted, but just happens to have some gay characters; I'm sure you know what I mean.

Oh, Gosh, I'm rabbiting on... and still not finished answering you! ha, tell me to shut up now.

I've also been writing orig fic way longer than fanfic, but wasn't aware there was somewhere to share and compare - if you will - until 2005 when I discovered slash quite by accident. My problem before that was it was only for me and I could never actually finish a story, though I had plenty of ideas all the time; just no application or ability to know how to shape it into something. I couldn't find any motivation to finish anything either as I had no idea that a straight woman writing about (mostly) gay men would find many willing readers! Can you believe it? HA, what little I knew! So, upon discovering slash fiction, it was like coming home! Other women also liked it, wrote it, AND read it! Finally, I found a place to share stories! I've learned a lot in the fanfic world, but I know I still have more to learn and I genuinely like the fandoms I dabble in. However, it's my dream to have novels published - or at least one! So, I'm here, playing around, trying to hone my craft, and fit it in around full-time work and three children - it's crazy, but I have every intention of getting there, one day! ;-)

oh yes, with the foreign language thing! It does lead to some interesting discussions though, and I'm learning more and more about all the differences every day (and hopefully teaching at least a few Americans that there's more than one way to skin a cat!). I love finding other downunderites though!

Phew... I'm done. Sorry to go off, but sometimes it's hard not to when I hit a like-minded soul! ;-)

Don't apologise for rabbiting on (because, you weren't), but also because otherwise I'd have to as well, and I'm criminally unable to keep from chatting away. (I'm just sorry for not getting back to this before now...)

(Besides, I'd like to know for how long you can continue a discussion AFTER LJ renders it invisible...)

Aw, man. Even I think that sounds hot, although probably hotter without Jack, LOL! (I find his character to be a little annoying. Or I just like the bad guys better. Either way...)

Funnily enough, I think in film/television media, there's more lesbian characters/relationships/sex than there are gay characters (especially action/adventure, gay men just don't exist there at all, which is pathetic) - in contrast to text (published and amateur) media, which has the direct opposite focus. (Although, Japanese anime/manga is different again; I'm just making assumptions about 'Western' media here. Even though there's probably more les text and subtext in that, too...) Which says a lot, at least in action/adventure, about what producers think (wrongly) the gender break-up of the audience is...

*shrugs* I can't see how being open-minded about one aspect of sexuality wouldn't make you open-minded and supportive about others. But so much YES - the idea that gays and lesbians, people who identify as bi and poly, genderqueer and transgender, don't get to feature in action/adventure shows because ... what, they're not as kick-arse as anyone else? (That makes me want to watch Torchwood, even though I don't really like Dr Who that much...) That's where I feel really let down - I love science fiction TV - because you'd think speculative fiction would have the balls, so to speak, to go out there and prove it. (Hooray for Joss Wheddon, at least. Now, need more of it!)

Sadly, since I do look for it - femmeslash isn't easy to find online if you're looking for original fiction. (Fanfiction is easier, although it's still not always the easiest thing to find outside RPF and Harry Potter.) You wouldn't think that - it surprised me, since I kept thinking it was just my craptacular search ability until other people pointed out that yeah, they can't find much either. But slash? Is everywhere, original and fanfiction, which is just awesome. (So many people writing slash fanfiction, they have the audience...)

*cheers for the internets, at least*

I agree with you - I really do wonder if it's not only a reluctance to step forwards with homosexual subtext/text (because you're so right about the abundance of lesbian action in porn, which is fanservice to male viewers, pure and simple), but also a reluctance to acknowledge the fact that women also deserve their sexualised fanservice? I mean, good grief, you can't act like your female viewers are actually going to watch your show for the hot men. Women can't be sexual beings with their own desires and wants, and transform men into sex objects - oh, no! Only women are allowed to be objectified in that way!

*snorts*

I'll admit at times I find the sexualisation of gay/lesbian people a little uncomfortable, but - hell, everyone, of either gender or sexuality (since this usually gravitates to one end of the spectrum or the other) is sexualised in some way, so why should that be any different? Because - it's not, and people enjoy it. Nor would I ever admit that I wouldn't enjoy reading lesbian erotica actually written for lesbians. (But, that won't happen, especially in a film medium. Because you can't make women sexy for women, and women aren't allowed to have sex drives to start with. It's a double bind. *rolls eyes*)

I think that's why most women tend to read their erotica rather than watch it. Reading allows you to focus more on emotions, thoughts and surroundings, the context that leads up to the sex - and enriches it. Because - so much yeah in that statement. Just the sex alone isn't nearly as interesting, at least not for me. (I also wouldn't want to watch gay porn, but I can read anything explicit and enjoy it, because it's more than just sex and two penises, LOL.)

(Um, I beat you. I can't fit everything I want to say into one comment. So on with the next one...)

(And on to part 2...)

I know exactly what you mean, too. Nothing wrong with proving that gay/les/bi etc people can be as hot and sexy as anyone else, but at the end of the day - hell, they should just be there. I think fanfiction continually proves, too, that there are so many people out there who find non-traditionally handsome/beautiful people attractive. How many people ship TV show characters who really aren't that good looking, after all? Lots. That alone is pretty awesome. So why not ordinary non-het people, too?

Oh, wow. I suspect many of us have been writing long before we found the internet, but you've been around here quite a while! LOL, I wrote fiction with gay characters (thinking I was doing something quite unusual) before I discovered the internet, and slash, and OMG, there might actually be readers, so I'm joining you in that state of once-ignorant.

That sounds like me. I have a novel (urban fantasy meets murder meets crime fiction with two gay protags, of course, and romance, of course) I've been working on for three years, and I hope to get it published someday. Right now, though, I'm just having fun posting other things online, seeing how much I have to learn and what I can improve on. (My writing has improved so much this year because of the internet...) Discovering that people, even if only a few people, are actually enjoying what I write is pretty amazing, since I never thought I'd have the courage to actually show my work around.

I work full time and find writing had enough as it is - I applaud you if you manage it around children and family as well. Amazing!

If you can, and you don't mind me having a read, please point me out to a few of your stories. I'm curious (besides, I just like reading the work of those I chat to!) and as long as it doesn't spoil the last half of Season 5, I can more than easily follow what's going on. I'd like to have a sticky beak, LOL! ;D

No, no, don't be sorry! Especially because ... this is just as long. (And how can you not chatter away when you're chatting to someone interesting, anyway?)

Oh, yes, yes, yes and more yes! I have so many things I could say to all that! Unfortunately, I'm a bit pressed for time with going away for a school camp all of next week... so I'm just putting this in so you know I haven't forgotten you! I'm going to do my best to answer some of the comments you've made that seem to want or need answers, but I may just switch to e-mail if you don't mind, and it will be a week or more before I get there now! PHew! Can you let me know a good e-mail address to use?

Oh, and the one thing I'll point you at is my fic:

haldoor_honey is where I house all my fic, and all the fanfic is open, so feel free to browse around the tags or even the memories, although I'm not sure memories are up to date... and as I tend to write a lot of AU anyway, I don't think there's much you can't read without being spoiled for halfway thru S5 Lost. (AU being situation or rescue many times rather than on-island, not exactly wild and fantastical worlds!).

There's also a bit of orig fic there, but that's locked to friends only (and I only friend people who really want to read it, due to my hope to someday publish some of it), but certainly, if you're interested, I'd friend you there! I do warn you though, the longer one that's complete, End of the Innocence is very long (71 chapters; 186,000 words!)and I am trying to work on editing it down to re-post it for

ah_gayfiction and perhaps the possibility of publication... It's not fantasy - which is something I thought I would be writing! - but a love story (set in the USA! So much for write what you know!) between two teenagers (and another two who get caught in the crossfire), set in the eighties, and so may not be your cup of tea so much anyway. It's all up and down and angst and sex right now, but I aim to try and shorten and tidy it up to be less all over the place and explicit... and God knows what else! I did have a lot of positive reactions from my reader-friends, but I know for the style it needs to be shorter and perhaps less sexual. Ah... so much for the quick reply!

Anyway, do let me know your e-mail and we can continue 'The Conversation' at leisure!

Firstly: my email address is the_skimblish_oneATliveDOTcoDOTuk, so feel free to email away - if you get any time when you come back! (I hope you have fun camping. I love it, although, that's not usually with hordes of school students, either...)

I'll definitely check out your ficjournal on the weekend, when I have time to enjoy some good reading. Thank you!

Wow. What a word count! I'll be the first to admit that I'm a little iffy about teenaged protagonists (mostly because they seem to be so overdone, and I really prefer reading about adults) but that said, I'll usually give anything written by someone I talk to a shot. (I've gotten to read some good stories that I wouldn't have otherwise read that way...) If you don't mind, I wouldn't mind having a look someday, but there's no rush, either. I probably wouldn't even be able to start reading a long story until after the Christmas Chaos Season at work is over, sadly. (I work in retail distribution, so we're building up to our busy season...)

LOL, since when is a quick reply possible?

Have a great week camping, and I'll always look forward to more chatting! *hugs*

Edited 2009-11-23 10:44 (UTC)

Thanks for the e-mail address! I'm just back from my week away, so not properly organised, but hopefully will e-mail you at some point soon!

The 'camping', btw, was 'school camp' and not really camping in tents at all (thankfully, I'm way too old for tenting!), rather in cabins (and we parents even had our own bathrooms!), so quite civilised! The activities were a lot of fun though, and I did get more ambitious with them than with the sleeping!

More chatting by e-mail soon! *hugs*

No worries!

Ah, cabins are fun. (Own bathrooms! That is so totally civilised! School camps I've been on, we were lucky to have heating. In the middle of winter...) The activities in your post sounded just awesome...

*hugs back*

This is a great idea! I would love to review things, except that I couldn't do it without, I don't know, not being serious. Not to mention the fact that I see movies about ten years after they come out (case in point, Star Trek which will be arriving on my doorstop on Tuesday).

Oh, my love! Review anything in whatever fashion you like! Or just watch what others come up with, if you want! I'd love for you to join us! It's supposed to be fun and we all see things differently (or slashily if you're me! ;-P) so I'm happy if you want to play around unseriously! Oh, and don't worry, I'm as slow myself most of the time! I rarely see movies unless they're kids' ones, or I am determined, in the year they're released! I think I've been to about three more adult-skewed ones this year! I'm happy for old or new things to be reviewed, and books, tv and music wil l all be featured at times too - they certainly don't have to be new! Please, please come and play! ;-)

Okay, I'm in! So, why "the hamster"? Or dare I ask? o_O

Umm, yeah. It's an acronym, but... hee, embarrassingly, I've forgotten the exact words...

Haldoor's A? Movie Series Television E? Reviews? something like that, but I can't for the life of me remember it just now. A few of us discussed this idea a couple of years back and were tossing around comm names and this one stuck. I even grabbed the name (with underscores in between as you see, due to the_hamster and thehamster already being taken) before someone else got it, but I never got around to doing much other than getting icons made back then. I'm so lazy and easily distracted!

Feel free to play around with the acronym! I may have to check back to those old entries from two years ago to find the correct answer... apparently I never even left the name in the comm profile (talk about dumb).

Edited 2009-11-20 19:15 (UTC)

I have to join - you've already given me so many good recommendations, the prospect of more is too tempting to resist.

Sadly I'm crap at reviewing things. The best you're likely to get from me is "it was good" or "I hated this". Maybe I should see this as an opportunity to improve these badly lacking skills :)

And I too am intrigued with the name 'The Hamster' - do tell!

Thank you! We're glad to have you along! I'm not much cop at reviewing either, other than to tell you how slash-tastic things are!!! But saying what you especially liked about something is always a good place to start!

I hope you'll join in at some point, anyway! It should be fun if everyone does!

Umm, eekily embarrassing, as I explained to

jaydblu *points to me reply to her above*, I can't remember the whole answer to the name thing! I'll check back at some point and put it in the comm profile!

Silly bit of fun. Do join in.

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